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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by Dharanidhar on Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:59 pm

I guess we have not shared the same experience as you, Dorje. That does not make your view more correct. Wink

Your 'tone' seems annoyed. We were discussing the OP in which it was stated:
''Whether Nyingmapa, Sakyapa, Kagyupa or Gelugpa, we all recite the invocation to Vajra Guru Rinpoche''.

So to consider whether the mantra is really a widespread Gelug practice is very much 'on topic'.

If the assertion were true, then your assertion that only HYT students know about it would contradict that assertion. Why would anyone else care to chant it, if in ignorance, and why would anyone make a secret practice available to those not yet ready to receive it?

You have simply repeated the OP, so I guess you are also somewhat adrift? Smile
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by dorje on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:22 pm

The reason it's placed in the Ngagrim Chenmo is because the explanation of the Vajra Guru Mantra in there is essentially that of HYT and above (meaning Mahamudra and Dzogchen).

I have no idea why it is not practiced widely among the Gelugpas now, since it was still widely propagated by the Great Thirteenth, especially in his own personal monastery, Namgyal. I understand that it is widely propagated by the Ganden Tripas up till now.


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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by LauraJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:20 pm

Hmmmm. I just found these and they're very similar.

Om Ah Hum Vajra guru Padma siddhi Hum
Om ah Hung benzra guru pema shidhi hung!
I prostrate to the great Vajra guru Padmasambhava, Please give me your supreme blessings!

Om ah Guru vajradhara Sumati Kirti Siddhi Hum Hum
Om ah guru bejar dhara sumati kiti shidhi hung hung!
I prostrate to the guru Vajradhara Tsongkhapa, please give me your supreme blessings!

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by Dharanidhar on Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:12 am

Yes, the wording of mantras is often similar, with the relevant deity inserted.
There is also some variation in how the Tibetan wording is represented in our alphabet.


The mantra of Je Tsongkhapa I know is this one, an extension of that of Manjusahri:

OM AH RA PA TSA NA DHI
SU MA TI KIRTI SHIRI
BHADRA AH THI TA NA AH
THI TI TE KUR BEN TU

Wherever possible, I demur to the original Sanskrit, to get as close as possible to the original.

Due to the number of enlightened Tibetan beings, that language is now accepted as an official 'Dharma language' like Sanskrit and Pali, but I think this is an irrelevance - after all Buddhas can understand plain English as well as any other tongue. I prefer Sanskrit purely for its accuracy and my own superstitious regard for its power. Wink
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by caz namyaw on Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:48 am

dorje wrote:The reason it's placed in the Ngagrim Chenmo is because the explanation of the Vajra Guru Mantra in there is essentially that of HYT and above (meaning Mahamudra and Dzogchen).

I have no idea why it is not practiced widely among the Gelugpas now, since it was still widely propagated by the Great Thirteenth, especially in his own personal monastery, Namgyal. I understand that it is widely propagated by the Ganden Tripas up till now.

Perhapes dorje they finally realized that there was already a full path before them no need to add or take away.

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by dorje on Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:34 pm

That's not true.

If there's nothing to take away, then why was the Vajra Guru Mantra not propagated? isn't that another method of taking something away?
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by caz namyaw on Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:42 pm

[quote="dorje"]That's not true.

If there's nothing to take away, then why was the Vajra Guru Mantra not propagated? isn't that another method of taking something away?[/quote

Because vajra guru mantra isnt part of Gelugpa buddhism, Guru rinpoche was the founder of nyigma buddhism, Atisha is the founder and from where gelugpa buddhism stems from, although guru rinpoche is recognised a an emination of manjushri his practise hasnt ever been a part of the tradition of Je tsongkhapa, moder practitoners who practise this within the Gelugpa tradition are mixing traditions. Through mixing them you loose their uniqness. it pollutes the traditions.

You cannot take the mantra away as it has never been an offical practise of the tradition of Je tsongkhapa, todays practitoners are mixing traditions they where laided out in a particular way by the holy masters and should be kept that way.

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by dorje on Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:05 pm

You are mistaken.

You need to do more research on the other traditions, and especially how Je Tsongkhapa was essentially a Rime practitioner.

He essentially was a Sakyapa who was ordained by a Kagyupa. He took Nyingmapa and Kagyupa and Kadampa and Jonangpa and Sakyapa practices and systematically re-intepreted them to fit together.

Looking at how the other traditions revered Guru Rinpoche, I do not see any reason whatsoever that the Gelugpas have a say in not practicing Guru Rinpoche, especially when Je Tsongkhapa practiced the termas and rushens of Guru Rinpoche.
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by caz namyaw on Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:29 pm

dorje wrote:You are mistaken.

You need to do more research on the other traditions, and especially how Je Tsongkhapa was essentially a Rime practitioner.

He essentially was a Sakyapa who was ordained by a Kagyupa. He took Nyingmapa and Kagyupa and Kadampa and Jonangpa and Sakyapa practices and systematically re-intepreted them to fit together.

Looking at how the other traditions revered Guru Rinpoche, I do not see any reason whatsoever that the Gelugpas have a say in not practicing Guru Rinpoche, especially when Je Tsongkhapa practiced the termas and rushens of Guru Rinpoche.

Je tsongkhapa formed a new tradition, He may have ordained with various schools and such but many masters have done that in the past for example in india the teachings where very much scattered and one had to travel about from various masters to others to get full advantage of the specialisation they had to offer.

Je tsongkhapa formed his tradition based on his learnings and what would be appropriate for a different capacity of practitoner he may have practise guru rinpoche mantra during his time with nygmas but the practise has never been an offical part of the tradition of je tsongkhapa.
The Mantra of guru rinpoche is not a part of the tradition of je tsongkhapa, only people mixing traditions now are practising this in conjunction. Guru rinpoche is a nygma practise you cannot attribute gelugpa's to have ever practised in the past main stream. unless you could provide a source in which to say it has been a main stream gelugpa practise dorje ?

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by sherab zangpo on Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:52 pm

Im deleting off topic posts.

If you wish to discuss, then please do open up another topic.

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by sherab zangpo on Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:00 pm

Hung!
In the north-west of the land of Oddiyana,
In the heart of a lotus flower,
Endowed with the most marvellous attainments,
You are renowned as the “Lotus Born”,
Surrounded by hosts of dakinis.
Following in your footsteps,
I pray to you: Come, inspire me with your blessing!
GURU PADMA SIDDHI HUNG




http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Seven_Line_Prayer



http://www.ktgrinpoche.org/guru_rinpoche.html
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by Dharanidhar on Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:05 pm

When you invoke Padmasambhava you can do so by chanting the ‘Seven-Line Prayer’, the prayer that is most commonly used in the Nyingma and Dzogchen traditions.

I have no need to say more here.
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by sherab zangpo on Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:41 pm

Today is powerful day to recite Guru Padmasambhava mantra and prayers.
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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by caz namyaw on Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:46 pm

Then good for those who do....May the nyigmas have a good day.

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by muni on Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:42 am

Yarlung Tsangpo to ward Samye.

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Post by muni on Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:56 am

http://www.allspiritfitness.com/library/books/bl_Samye_Rev.shtml

This is a very interesting book with good explanations and illustrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni9PLWPUHso

This is filling the house here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni9PLWPUHso

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by LauraJ on Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:37 am

Beautiful, thank you muni!

I love the Youtube 🙏

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Re: Vajra Guru Mantra

Post by muni on Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:52 am

Drolma wrote:Beautiful, thank you muni!

I love the Youtube 🙏

Oh Dear. It comes from this CD: "Mantras from Tibet" Vajra Guru Mantra 54:45 minutes and Om Mani Padme Hum 11:30 minutes.
By Sarva-Antah. Sacred Music Series. :namaste:

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